tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post58489404362427276..comments2023-08-05T08:50:00.305-05:00Comments on Green Nuclear Butterfly Blog: Wind Power 10 - New Nukes 0 :: ACE NYRoyce Penstingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15097783614648808652noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-40403215371929555562009-04-07T07:06:00.000-05:002009-04-07T07:06:00.000-05:00I am nobody to argue, and I will not argue. Howeve...I am nobody to argue, and I will not argue. However, the person who wrote this first article needs to get his maths straight,<BR/>one nuclear power plant@ 2.5billion<BR/>500windmills@500k$ each=2.5billion as well.<BR/>Very simple math, how can you get that wrong? <BR/>And what about VISUAL POLLUTION?<BR/>(not that I think windmills are ugly, but im sure some people do, like native americans, for instance)Geoffrey Bergeronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-44547119003924867962008-06-18T13:19:00.000-05:002008-06-18T13:19:00.000-05:00There are some very well developed arguments poste...There are some very well developed arguments posted here, but I think something to consider is that comparing Nuke to Wind power is apples to oranges. You cannot assert that one is better than the other on the basis of cost because the bottom line is that wind power cannot produce baseload power. Power companies can use it to fill in load shortages during peak hours or sell off excess power (major assumption: the wind is blowing), but you cannot use it to provide a baseload to a grid. So if you want to compare Wind power to something try gas powered turbine generators, solar, or biofuel. If you want to compare Nuke you would have to compare it to coal fired power.<BR/><BR/>Talk to any utility and they will tell you that nuke power plants are the best option for the future especially if high carbon taxes carbon taxes are inplaced.<BR/><BR/>I have seen a number of uniformed statements on this webpage and I am not here to slam the site, but it does seem very biased. <BR/><BR/>Lastly, DOE must be handing out money to wind power as well because there is a large emphasis on wind power R&D (funded by DOE) right down the hall from where I work. <BR/><BR/>I don't want to register with this site, but feel free to message me with questions at lnmb023 on AIM<BR/><BR/>Suggested reading: "Power to Save the World"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-57001154113637720592007-04-22T08:12:00.000-05:002007-04-22T08:12:00.000-05:00Tom Gray,Can you please supply a reference for you...Tom Gray,<BR/><BR/>Can you please supply a reference for your statement:<BR/><BR/>>In the U.S., a capacity factor of 33% or higher is common for new wind projects<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-6978977588470700962007-04-21T13:02:00.000-05:002007-04-21T13:02:00.000-05:00Some thoughtful comments here. Keng is mistaken a...Some thoughtful comments here. Keng is mistaken about wind power capacity factors, however. In the U.S., a capacity factor of 33% or higher is common for new wind projects, and that number is gradually rising as wind turbines become more efficient.<BR/><BR/>Regards,<BR/>Thomas O. Gray<BR/>American Wind Energy Association<BR/><A HREF="http://www.awea.org" REL="nofollow">www.awea.org</A><BR/><A HREF="http://risingwind.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">risingwind.blogspot.com</A>Tom Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14728522824855808421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-87271435175700192732007-04-19T21:11:00.000-05:002007-04-19T21:11:00.000-05:00So, some differences of opinion on costing methods...So, some differences of opinion on costing methods. My quesion in this debate is, " are any of you factoring into nuclears cost the huge public tax subsidies that hide the true costs of nuclear. Some examples:<BR/><BR/>1. Just here in NY, $130 of nuclear facility security costs are being born by tax payers.<BR/><BR/>2. DOE is handing out $100's of millions to colleges and universities to atart back up or improve their nuclear/physics departments.<BR/><BR/>3. GNEP alone by some estimates could end up costing American Tax payers upwards of $400 Billion in subsidies to the nuclear industry.<BR/><BR/>4. We right now are giving owners of nuclear reactors hundreds of millions because their waste streams are now officially owned by DOE.<BR/><BR/>5. The first 6 AP1000 nuclear reactors built in American will have at least 50 percent of costs of consstruction paid for with our tax dollars.<BR/><BR/>6. The wind farms do not need the financial liability exemptions of the Price Anderson Act.<BR/><BR/>If we are going to compare costs, lets truly compare apples to apples.Royce Penstingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15097783614648808652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-62990781672474433372007-04-19T14:55:00.000-05:002007-04-19T14:55:00.000-05:00Anonymous is on target here. The actual capacity f...Anonymous is on target here. The actual capacity factor of wind turbines, although usually estimated at about 33%, most often comes in at 20 to 25%. At this time, a wind installation, on the basis of kilowatts generated, has a capital cost of at least twice that of a nuclear unit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8755992538490694989.post-91853797012077044772007-04-19T07:40:00.000-05:002007-04-19T07:40:00.000-05:00I'm entirely in favor of wind, but let's get facts...I'm entirely in favor of wind, but let's get facts straight. A 2MW wind turbine installed in the US will costs roughly 2.5-3.5 million dollars, not half a million dollars. Also, that wind turbine will produce its rated output roughly a third of the time. Add these two items together and you'll see that nuclear (according to your numbers which I can't verify) and wind are almost identical in terms of initial capital costs to build the project. Of course, once the wind turbines are up, the fuel is free and clean. I can't say that for the nukes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com